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As for this new pyramid, Liv, how could you not see through it? Rob, I think you would be interested in reading the comments starting May 18, at 2: Her answer was surprising. You are selling a myth. If she lied about her income, or the value of equity, then she is a very bad person. Soon you have a neighborhood of duplicate stores all selling the same product. The Shares are worthless LOL.
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How did Sarnicola recruit all these people? MLMs often offer private signing bonuses to those who have created a substantial pyramid. Of course he only admitted this behind the scenes deal because Robert Dean took the money and then left ViSalus.
So sure you could have the same success as Sarnicola in ViSalus, but only if you are given both the means and the connections to poach top people from numerous MLM downlines. ViSalus canceled their IPO citing market conditions… which seems disingenuous because the Dow Jones was at a 4-year at the time and ViSalus was claiming great growth.
I received a comment about Project 10 Kids. The idea behind this program is to give overweight or obese children 30 ViSalus meals when a ViSalus distributor or customer loses 10 pounds or gains 10 pounds of muscle. This is a very classic MLM charity scam. The commenter made the point that the kids are getting kid-sized shakes that are half the already diminutive shakes mentioned above… 45 calories. Using the above numbers of it costing a consumer about 50 cents per Vi-Shake serving, the kids shake, at half size, would be 25 cents.
The title of this article made the point that ViSalus was a scam. ViSalus distributors and supporters take exception of the use of the word scam with ViSalus. Wikipedia defines scam as a confidence trick.
At a minimum, the marketing around ViSalus Vi-Shape Shake is clearly designed to deceive… to a level that the Canadian regulator boards are looking into it. The business opportunity on average grosses people very little money and likely puts people at a loss when accounting for buying product, website costs, and other marketing materials.
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The person recruiting you has a financial incentive to present only one side of the story. Kudos to you for searching for more information to make an informed decision. I also liked this article: Is it a brave new world of health and success, or just a pyramid scheme? Rob, I think you would be interested in reading the comments starting May 18, at 2: Overall from what is written Lazy man would accept the product as long as it was on the shelf at a GNC and would except the company if it did not pay past the first level ie a franchise.
The discussion talks about the simulates between an MLM which is without exception viewed by lazy man as pyramid scam and other types of business that hold the same structure but are not considered pyramid scams by lazyman.
All in all, i personally feel that most people are not truly ready to work for them selves. They have the mindset of an employee that will work 60 years only to retire broke. But the part about visalus assuming the lease payments for those who fall out of qualification is a dumb comment.
So if I qualify one month and do nothing the next month Visalus should pick up the tab for me sitting on my ass? Network Marketing is if you perform, you get paid. If you do not perform you should not get paid. Why not just give everyone an equivalent cash bonus, without attaching the strings? The simple answer, they want people to have the threat of bankruptcy to get them pressured to recruit. Looking around at other sales industries, items like car incentives based on monthly performance are not rare and when production stops so does the companies willingness to pay for them.
It is very different. For more information see this article: Most likely because the BMW is indeed a marketing tool to attract people to the product and to promoting. In depending on the industry and the size of the company, companies use either company owned leases or incentive payments so the person can chose their own home or car. Of course, with corporate positions the rank is more stable but in the same way as sales, if the person was to lose the rank or the job in general the payment would also be lost.
I read the article in the link from aug speaking about numbers from 4qtr I also read some other articles noting that in the sales were a mere 34 million. It seems like they now are regaining growth as they are appear to be above their numbers. I received an email recently that gave me a lot of information. I leave the analysis and verificiation as an exercise to the reader, but it sounds logical to me.
If you look at revenue, Best Buy, has grown each of the last 4 years. Where would the collapse be? Settle down… you appear to be a little heated. From they way you made it out to be it was a big production but it still has under videos at less then 10 minutes each. I think you are vastly over stating this as advertising expense.
I can see why you would say that it should be avoid if you can not afford the car with out ViSalus… And your right, if the car is outside of you financial stability you should not get the car. It would be illogical for any company MLM or not to keep a fleet of cars for the normal use of a non local employees. Do you blame the person who buying a new truck because they believed they were going to have stipend or the company for providing the stipend?
BestBuy sold off both its European and Chinese businesses is still routinely closing its stores and laying off employees to keep a positive margin. The grow of bestbuy at this point is due to a positive US economy and the recent releases of new tech such as the iPhone. If one is not a collapse then why is the other?
I think it appears to be heated, because you seem to be defending the car program. In my opinion it is very irresponsible. Other commenters have backed it up. Typically these are under NDA and only come out in a lawsuit.
You do understand how pyramid schemes collapse right? You do understand that Best Buy exists by selling product and not recruiting people to open up Best Buy stores, right? Besides all that, you should read the problem of supply and demand in MLM here. MLMs have no problem creating millions of suppliers even if there is no demand for product.
They focus on recruiting of more suppliers. They also reward the people who create more suppliers rather than those who actually sell the product themselves. It is hard to imagine anything else more fundamentally flawed. MY wife and I were visalus reps for about 6months We both did ok, here more than me, but we could not keep with adding more customers and replacing those that dropped out.
We lost more money than we made, and spent way too much time with the company. If you are looking at a good weight loss shake, invest in a nutribullet. They are awesome and you can throw in some protein. I get my protein from Sams clubs and it is a heck of lot cheaper than Visalus. It could mean a hundred different things to a hundred different people.
It is not a fraud or pyramid scheme. If they had no product at all to sell and only made money off current members or recruiting more members than it would be a pyramid scheme.
Now I am not saying it works or you can become rich. You need to educate yourself on what a pyramid scheme is. It can indeed have products. The FTC shut down Vemma for being a pyramid scheme a few weeks ago. They had claimed to be an MLM for years. Notice that neither McDonalds or Home Depot has a disclaimer about being a pyramid scheme. When will the Vi Life craziness end? My wife got us involved and drove our family into financial ruin.
Her partying with other Vi Lifers almost ruined our family. And, now it is coming to Kansas City. It is a scam. Everybody seems to know it except those who are most desperate for money and fame. How many more lives will this and other Direct selling scams gave to ruin before people wise up? What a sad shame! My soon to be ex wife if that tells you anything got wrapped up in this circus close to three years ago. She was lured by a younger group of suave men living a seemingly rich lifestyle driving BMWs and living the high life.
They told story after story about how they are all making 6 figures a year with lots of time off to come and go as they please. It is one thing after another with this group and unfortunately it seems that they are preying on a demographic that is either young and desperate for quick money, an uneducated group with few to no skills for real employment, or the 40 something housewife desperate to be financially independent.
The most disturbing was a young girl in college that wanted to focus on school and grades once she realized this was a dead end street.
I saw dozens of young individuals and couples throw in more money to this than they ever could afford in hopes of making a long term business out of it. After a few months they dropped out for greener pastures…..
I strongly recommend asking to see their from the previous year when these clowns start spouting off about how much money they have made. I have personally done it and the conversation changes very quickly. I have yet for any of the upper pyramid people to be willing to back up their monetary claims with a or any other tax information.
After dropping out for roughly a year she is trying to build her down line ….. That was her best month of her doing it full time. As far as the product itself goes….. As a former trainer and national level competitive bodybuilder, I will tell you that ViSalus is not the way to go if you want to loose weight and get in shape.
They are marketing a fun, quick, easy way to loose weight and get in shape….. It takes dietary discipline and exercise.
There is nothing fun, quick, or easy about being successful in that area. Mark — Thank You. She jumped at the BMW and the bragging rights that came with it but we lost that in 6 months. She had a little business that she let go in hopes of getting rich as an MLM Entrepreneur and we list tge little house we had. I just recently ended my promoter-ship with ViSalus. Holy heck, once you drink the cool-aid it really is down hill from there. I joined in March According to her, and I never saw any proof, she qualified for her BMW in her first two weeks.
Afterall, ViSalus preaches hard work and dedication, I was all of that and more. It still baffles me how some folks seem to be able to scam others into joining their downline. Tara quit on Sunday.
Yesterday she posted about her experience, and that her income has gone down with Vi for 3 years straight, and that she was never home in to spend time with family. In the comments she admits to not liking the lies. Then there are sycophants telling her they appreciate her honesty. Can you send a link to the post.
Everyone must choose their own path. Create your own story. The company hit momentum and…. I was new in the industry. Everyone in the company told me to stay. I had no faith in that company. So I looked around. I found company 3. Just on Delta Airlines in I flew 87 flights just for business. I have a report. I thought I was going to be with this company forever. Unfortunately after losing over 2, BMW qualifiers and over 6 figure earners, you have to stop and think: I hope the company continue to thrive.
They have changed my life and many others. So here I am now, still on the mission of life, health and prosperity. Still helping people get healthy through products and education. We found an incredible home that I truly think will be a great place to call home. A place that has unparalleled retention, patented, innovative products back by 40 years of science, over a dozen peer reviewed clinical studies, and stability. Everyone has to choose their own path.
So yes, this is my 4th company. Will it be my last? I just really want people to WIN. She let her little business go to live the ViLife, too. What a bunch of crap. We are slowly recovering now but she still has her Vi friends which is a concern.
I also found out that a bunch of the high-up-the-chain folks that recently left Vi are now at [omitted]. Nick Sarnicola has publicly scorned them. It was on his public FaceBook page: Royal Ambassador Rachel Jackson and about other high-tiered individuals have left Vi, I mean, resigned, and are now with [omitted]. I had an old upline badger me the other day about joining them, no thanks, I am all done with pyramid…:: I also happen to know that two few six-figure folks are juggle Vi AND [omitted] which is also very clearly stated as a no-no:.
With all of the high level defections, why do the low level people stay? Does anyone know whether next week shindig in Kansas City is still on? Why would anyone believe the sales pitch when the big rats are jumping ship?
Nick Sarnicola is a scam-artist. YAH, she DID, she was forced to transfer some of her customers to her to make up the difference because she never made that money. Tara does not deserve a free pass. If she lied about her income, or the value of equity, then she is a very bad person.
She boasts of those she has helped, but takes no responsibility for those financially hurt. Her words above sound like she wants to be applauded for having the foresight to jump to a different company, before it went out of business. Like that was a smart move on her part. Went out of business? She knows what MLM is about, and to jump into yet another one proves in my book that she is not as altruistic as she would like her followers to believe.
Tara has a psychology degree from Berkeley, one of the best universities in the nation. I make weekly money off over 10 customers not promoters.. Well anyone can run it how they want. My brother was the first Visalus camp and later developed cancer. As he was laying on his deathbed, Nick and his buddies came to visit him to put a Visalus blazer on him and give him an oversized check.
The following week, I saw a video of Nick in San Diego telling his followers the story of my brother. It was heart warming… up until the part when he told them that my brother was relieved be receiving a 6-figure monthly income to provide for his family as he was dying. Shame on Nick, his company of lies, and his willingness to take advantage of so many people.
It basically blew up and everyone recruited their friends and friends friends to sell. It seems as though Visalus ruined Britt and Mia St Aubin as they are no longer engaged and she has a blog about how they were blowing all the money they spent during the challenge. One big thing i notice about MLM is that it i ALL about showing off how well you are doing in life and your fancy house, car and vacations.
Anyways, i noticed that the HUGE stadium they had at Vitality in Miami suddenly shrunk to the half a stadium in St Louis and then a small room in LA… i bet next weekend it will be even smaller! I have no problem with Visalus but i can tell you they really screwed up with the products! What makes those ViBites so special? I am a girl FYI but i find it funny how my friends really do buy those products.
Anyways, she got so much hate mail from everyone at Visalus about quitting blah blah blahhhh.. Please expose the scam on her and Matt Trainer.
IMO its really a matter of time before they resolve. These people are all master manipulators that teach people to live beyond their means.. It was obvious to see this coming bc all is quiet on the Visalus and ViLife front.. Their numbers will again stagger in a year and i see more of my FB friends going to Isagenix and ItWorks.
They seemed like they were going to continue to help your family out. I remember his family was so beautiful, I hope they are well. Rob, I was skimming comments quickly yesterday and I missed the part about your brother being sick in the hospital. There was certainly some talk of that stunt here at the time.
Yeah, James is my brother. He passed away several years ago and I miss him dearly. I happen to also know that some of the folks on this new venture are also doing Vi as well as this new company. Regardless, ViSalus is ridiculous. Get out of here. I thought the high level people leaving would put an end to Vi but I guess not.
At least the consultants make a couple grand before their friends and family stop taking their calls. These poor volunteers work hard for a few days for peanuts. I just love you guys, your friendship, your leadership, and are so proud of you, and watching what God is doing in your life.
This could not have happened to better, more deserving people. We are grateful for all you do, your hard work, and your love, and so excited to continue our friendship for another decade and beyoooonnnndddd!!!
This is so BAD and such a scam!!! Sad thing is, people are actually falling for it. I mean, its am embarrassment to people that are actually sick out there. She is just doing that to look good.. Ok- you guys asked for the YouTube link so here it is: I liken Network Marketing to being tricked into a hole. The only way out of the hole is to ask your family and friends to jump in and push you out.
If tricking people into the hole is your thing, then MLM might be right for you. Some people are very good at it. I like to use a quicksand analogy myself. You can pull yourself out by dragging in another ten people. Probably because it is Ready To Go RTG and priced as a premium for convenience and extra cost liquid is heavier and contains more mass.
Maybe the scammers will stop saying they are 1 and conning friends and relatives pit of their money. I guess they are hesitant to face reality and admit tgeir mistakes and they are not headed for wealth and a life of leisure. I wonder how many friendships are lost over these MLM scams. A true business requires capital, period. Oh, it claims it is the healthy products, but in the end it is the dream. I mean if all you are selling is protein powder or cereal, get in line.
At least to some folks. Pills, Lotions, and Magic Potions. Praying on the financially unsophisticated. That is what is being sold here, the dream. How much is this product really cost to produce when endless numbers of reps get paid on each bag?
We know what the long term effects of eating correctly and exercising are. You do have a choice in what you put into your body. Starving your body to get off medications and lose weight, then publishing your before and after photo is not sustainable.
Take an afternoon and go shopping with them and teach them how to shop healthy without your product. How much would you charge for that? Oh my, I wish high schools and colleges would require a course in critical reasoning. Thus, the endless chain of recruitment continues. If the product is actually being sold to the end user, why in the world would you want to recruit endless numbers of sales reps?
The educated prospect researches the footnotes of the financials BLYTH , which up into last year, one could easily deduct the sharp declines. Walking into a shake party with the actual results of this company would make a skeptic out of anyone. Since the buyback, all this information is no longer public.
Kind of makes you wonder. If everyone became a distributor, who would you finally sell to? If you have a successful store with real demand, the last thing you want is someone to open up an identical store next door.
Soon you have a neighborhood of duplicate stores all selling the same product. Alas, you have to open another store to generate revenue upstream. Where will the remaining demand come from? That is why it is artificial. It has to be created, continuously! First the United States, then abroad. In the end it is never about the product, it is about the dream. The Titanic sold alot of tickets. I was surprised he would recommend something that is a scam.
Now I am not sure I would try any of his suggestions for vitamins or anything. I watched this opportunity tear apart friends and family. You should of heard the stories they told us.. What a joke this was! This article was a great read. Thanks for posting it. Get rich schemes will never work. It sounds so promising at first but the only people getting rich are at the top of the pyramid. Following punks that are completely brainwashed. Rachael Jackson is an effin joke. Visalis hired a PI to spy and hack into their competitions computers and was indicted for Corporate Espionage along with 4 other visalis big wigs.
The yelling and being excited and the group phone calls. What a F joke! The main events were no bigger than the small sidebars from previous events. Seems like Visalus days in USA are numbered. No sweat, the big teams just move to another MLM. Not much news where teams have been going lately. So as a small business owner I can see a bunch of whiny brats on this forum so I wanted to throw my two cents in for anyone who wants to start in ViSalus. In fact if you have joined a company which is purely about getting other people under you than it is clearly a scam.
Back a few months ago I met a man who agreed to teach me how to have a career in real estate. He looked like a plain man but I had learned most millionaires looked and dressed like him from a few of the books I had been reading so I decided to give listen to him. He took me to a few of the properties he owned and told me he had 5 rental properties, commercial building and a 7 acre park in the area in which he gave me the addresses to and of course I checked the city assessors office to check the latest purchaser and the tax payments.
Sure enough everything checked out, I had also checked the GRM Gross Rent Multiplier of the area vs the value of the property vs how much he bought it for. He bought them for significant discounts which is a clear indication to me that he has access to some prime properties. He called me one day to sell me his duplex which had an amazing return on the investment, it was somewhere like I asked him why was he selling and of course I was interested and he told me he reached the point where ViSalus equaled the amount he was bringing in from his rental houses.
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